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yule · Mar 15, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

/signed

doesn't affect pve, makes pvpers have more options.

Gun Pierson · Mar 15, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Really, the only argument I've seen against this is "No, PvE-ers need more stuff because PvPers don't work for anything". Also, e-peens figure into the equation.

Honestly, answer me this, What's harder to get? ~400k, or ~1100 RP's? Seriously, I know what's more difficult to get.

The argument "PvPers should just earn it in PvE" is also void, because not everyone love love loves PvE. I personally find it difficult to endure, seriously, 3 heroes, 4 henchies, press C, press Space = you win mission = gg.

There's really no reason not to let PvPers earn it.

Well it seems you didn't look good enough to find counterarguments. The only example you gave is a generalisation that pvpers don't work for anything.

E-peen is exactly why you want the gloves.

To answer your question: 400k seems easy to get, yet you admit you find it difficult to endure to play pve. What's the hot spot in pve to farm these days, DoA Ursan style. You can't even do that with hench and you don't have enough heroes to make a full team of your own. A full run in HM will take about 2-3 hours and you'll get 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 gems and maybe some from loot if the group succeeds. Lets say you get 4 gemsets at best to sell, that makes about 50k.

Duo farm UW in HM, 4-5 ectos an hour if you're lucky, still a lot of farming to get those gloves.

These two above examples are not for the average Joe and that's exactly another argument. The 'pve is so easy crap' is just a way to justify what you would like to have.

It was an insult enough, you guys could get Razah for 'nothing', while we had to endure DoA when it was still DoA if you know what I mean. It was the only ritualist hero at that time. It took Anet a few months to realise it's a hero, mostly wanted by the pve player base.

For a long time Crystaline swords only dropped from HoH chests and it's the same with that Ghostly hero I would like to have.

What's next, you guys want DoA weapons and destroyer stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I personally have nothing against people wanting more pvp fun but I wan't some more pve love too, for example the use of 7 heroes. Cause really, playing the dungeons in HM with hero/hench is far from easy to give another example. Sure it can be done, I did it too, but calling it easy is just ridiculous. Would like to know the succes/fail rate of DoA groups in HM too btw.

Kanyatta · Mar 15, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

E-peen is exactly why you want the gloves.

I've got a nice little paradox for you.

E-peen is exactly why PvEers don't want PvPers to have the gloves.

Gun Pierson · Mar 15, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I've got a nice little paradox for you.

E-peen is exactly why PvEers don't want PvPers to have the gloves.

Yes ofcourse and it's exactly why PvPers don't want PvEers to have emotes. It's all about E-peen, I thought we alrdy figured that out by now.

Kanyatta · Mar 15, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

The only real solution is to give it to everybody, or give it to nobody, in all e-peen cases.

Jaden Stone · Mar 15, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

/signed

I really don't see why there is so much opposition to this, it really doesn't affect PvE dramatically or at all. I see most of these negative posts are fueled by bad experiances with PvPers and frustration between the communities; however most are baseless and contain no good reasons for preventing PvP players with full Skin access. It seems to me that the general feeling from these is "PvP has ruined a portion of the game i enjoyed through some means or another, therefore no PvPer should enjoy the same privledges I have."

The other arguement seems to revolve around ease of access to chaos gloves for PvP players and less effort/time investment. Lets do the math shall we!

1000 reward points for getting to high end armor = 15 Wins in an AT @70 RP per Win.

Assuming 300-500 RP for the gloves themselves = Minimum 5 AT wins @70 RP

Total Time Invested for GvG = 45-50 hours
Total Possible conversion if put into Zkeys = 780K

Now the other thing to take note of is how RP is earned. it can only be earned through AT's and HB. Assuming you play 1 AT everyday (which would be a miracle for almost all guilds) and WIN every single one. It would take 20 days of straight wins to achieve these gloves. This is all but impossible for most players and even mid/high level guilds to do consistantly.

The other arguement I see comming up a lot is the fact that PvPers get Emotes for playing HA so PvE should have something special as well. This is an interesting arguement. I myself have managed to earn rank 6 Kind of a Big Deal on my assassin and am very proud to display that title. Would I like a little more for my efforts? sure, but the title itself is all the honor I need. Being able to amalgamate all my PvE titles into 1 track is very nice. Also, Having access to my own personal Hall of monuments and equiping all of my achievments is something i cannot do on a PvP character and many PvP only players will never access this place to Xfer thier accomplishments to GW2.

To be honost I don't really care if this gets signed or not, My connections through the rumor mill have been talking about this for some time now and I'm fairly sure this will be implemented in the near future.

As for all you haters, dry your eyes. Save those tears for april when the exclusive in game prizes for tournements are implemented and Anet belittles your hard work and unjustly divies out those unique items to the tournement winner who hardly put any effort into winning.

reetkever · Mar 15, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

No. GW:EN was supposed to be focussed on PvE, and the developments of our characters. All the armours, rewards, titles and skills are based on this, too.

PvP characters don't develop, they start out perfect without actually growing.

Besides, PvP'ers would get the gloves while having fun playing the game, PvE'ers have to do countless of hours boring farming for it.

Unless the Chaos Gloves are only available to Rank 10 PvP'ers, and only to people who ALSO have GW:EN (Would be unfair if only PvE'ers have to buy GW:EN for the gloves), I do not sign this.

Oh, and I want a victory chest in my Guild Hall that I can open everytime I enter! :P

Stockholm · Mar 15, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I found a good post in another thread.

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all you people seem to think is this

"PvEers have gloves and glasses, WHY NOT US?!?!?!"

"PVE HAS IT ITS NOT FAIR"

no, its not, but honestly, is all you people think about finding new ways to flex your e-peens and belittle people who aren't as "LEET" as you?, thats the only reason i can see why you want Gloves/glasses.
Anet gave you what they saw was what the game needed, what your asking for is what you seem to think you deserve when you already HAVE what you deserve:

AN AWESOME GAME WITH NO SUBSCRIPTION FEE AND MORE CONTENT THAN YOU CAN SHAKE A STICK AT

iv said it before and ill say it again, the only reason you want this is because you've already got a taste, you don't just want a cookie you want the entire jar

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=375

Just had to make some minor changes to it (in Bold)

FireFox · Mar 15, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

GW:EN stuff as Tournament Rewards - I am told this is being tested on Dev right now, and should be added soon.

source

It's been in the works for a reeeeally long time, stop crying.

GODh · Mar 15, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

more players wearing those stupid looking gloves = less prestige...

/signed

kerpall · Mar 16, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Okay, lets see... comparing what each pvp and pve have.

PvE: Several high-end chests, PvE-only skills, PvE-only weapons (bmp), PvE-only Armour, and Way more accessable titles (PvE-only).

PvP: 1 high end chest (HoH), Less skills than PvE, A couple re-named skins for their "PvP-only-skins", no special armour, and less titles.

Well i suppose /rank makes up for the huge amount of things missing (i'm being sarcastic, incase any noobs think i'm being serious).

PvP has less than half the accessability as PvE. If we give them access to some silly gloves, that imo is still not enough.

Guildwars is recognized through its PvP tournaments and such, not their Ursan-way FoW runs. They deserve a little more than what they have already.

Limu Tolkki · Mar 16, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Maybe also give everyone r7 eternal set by writing /bonus? Also i'd love to see that everyone pvp char could sellect 30 titles to max, just by clicking it and woah, its maxed. Hmm, what else... oh yeah, obsi armor should be buyable from merch, chest piece 15g, else 10gp?

I mean /notsigned!!!!!

Ok its ok to me if pvp chars could get chaos gloves. As long they pay 75 ectos for them like me and many other did.

kerpall · Mar 16, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Limu Tolkki

Maybe also give everyone r7 eternal set by writing /bonus? Also i'd love to see that everyone pvp char could sellect 30 titles to max, just by clicking it and woah, its maxed. Hmm, what else... oh yeah, obsi armor should be buyable from merch, chest piece 15g, else 10gp?

I mean /notsigned!!!!!

Ok its ok to me if pvp chars could get chaos gloves. As long they pay 75 ectos for them like me and many other did.

wow, that was embarassing...

Anyways, ever hear of the term "Reward Points" ? Wiki it, maybe you'll learn somthing new.

Where in the world are pvp players gonig to get ecto, from soem kind of magical-pvp-UW ?

Diddy bow · Mar 16, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Well fine if they are as stupidly expensive as they are in PvE

. Which comes to about 400 points or somthing ^^

Limu Tolkki · Mar 16, 2008, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by kerpall

wow, that was embarassing...

Anyways, ever hear of the term "Reward Points" ? Wiki it, maybe you'll learn somthing new.

Where in the world are pvp players gonig to get ecto, from soem kind of magical-pvp-UW ?

Maybe they should go to uw and farm them like other ppl with chaos gloves did? Yeah, i know what reward points are. Or maybe make them buyable by balthazar faction. Whatever as long as they are stupidly expensive lol.

Sweet Mystery · Mar 16, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

I don't agree, i think that if you want pve items you should play pve.

Totally agree.

Skill updates come in and affect PvE all because of people moaning in PvP about something. If you want something in the PvE world work for it and then use it, oh but this will be your continual re-roll PvP char won't it.... so can't keep it there always.

Witchblade · Mar 16, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

PvE players need to reach a certain title and outpost to get that and they pay +-400k for it

PvP shouldnt have this just by a simple click

And since stats aint different from other gloves, make a PvE chars if you really want them. PvE stuff we earn shouldnt be "owed" to PvP dummies

/not signed

miles · Mar 16, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

when they are introduced, im sure the price will be very comparable to the amount of gold they are worth (5 reward points=2.5-3k)

i dont see why pvers would care about the so called "prestige" of the item, if the character can only use it in pvp zones anyways. its not like it devalues them in anyway in pve land, all it does is make them more common (and only just, as not many people are going to get that many reward points quickly)

all the pve vs pvp shit is useless, and seriously wont get anywhere

Talarian · Mar 16, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by miles

all the pve vs pvp shit is useless, and seriously wont get anywhere

Yeah but it's a laugh though

Kanyatta · Mar 16, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Limu Tolkki

Maybe they should go to uw and farm them like other ppl with chaos gloves did? Yeah, i know what reward points are. Or maybe make them buyable by balthazar faction. Whatever as long as they are stupidly expensive lol.

Obviously you either don't know what reward points are, or you fail to read posts in this thread.

Chaos Gloves would obviously be a Fancy Armor, which takes about 1000 RP's to get those anyway. Then, on top of that, they'd probably cost at the very least 200 RP's for the gloves. All total, if converted to Z Keys, it would be in the range of 750k.

Maybe you should learn to play before bashing ideas lol.